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[Jabato]

I've always said that Western countries must be intolerant with muslim intolerance, otherwise.........we're gonna face serious problems in our respectives countries.
IMHO Muslim are only able to live in society under a Muslim religious dictatorship or under a military dictatorship.
And some people still talk about this as.........multiculturalism............what a shame!

Part of the article:

"The Pakistani police often are forced to register blasphemy cases against their wishes, human rights campaigners say, either to save the accused blasphemer or their own officers from attack.
In July, a large crowd, prompted by inflammatory statements from local mosques, swarmed a police station in Bahawalpur district in southern Punjab, searching for a blasphemy suspect who was being interrogated by police. The mob seized the man, beat him to death and burned his body outside the station."



http://www.nytimes.c...istan.html?_r=1

[RobMcGill]

I'm not sure what the best solution is, but the demographics are changing in favor of Muslim populations. That's not a war I would want to fight, and fortunately I don't think peace it out of reach. It wasn't long ago Christians burned and stoned people for blasphemy. It also wasn't long ago we allowed for slavery in the USA/England. Ideas travel fast, and I think intolerance in general will be wiped out through information sharing alone. Currently only 20% of the world population has internet, imagine how much society will have changed when that number reaches 80-100%.

[Jabato]

RobMcGill, on 11 September 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

I'm not sure what the best solution is, but the demographics are changing in favor of Muslim populations. That's not a war I would want to fight, and fortunately I don't think peace it out of reach. It wasn't long ago Christians burned and stoned people for blasphemy. It also wasn't long ago we allowed for slavery in the USA/England. Ideas travel fast, and I think intolerance in general will be wiped out through information sharing alone. Currently only 20% of the world population has internet, imagine how much society will have changed when that number reaches 80-100%.

I don't know, but if you look at these riots because of the Coptic Christian video, is clear that they do not believe in freedom of speech. On the other hand it was not long ago when Christians burned people for blasphemy, but at least 300 years has gone since the Spanish Inquisition shut down their "lovely" door.

[jayme2011]

RobMcGill, on 11 September 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

I'm not sure what the best solution is, but the demographics are changing in favor of Muslim populations. That's not a war I would want to fight, and fortunately I don't think peace it out of reach. It wasn't long ago Christians burned and stoned people for blasphemy. It also wasn't long ago we allowed for slavery in the USA/England. Ideas travel fast, and I think intolerance in general will be wiped out through information sharing alone. Currently only 20% of the world population has internet, imagine how much society will have changed when that number reaches 80-100%.

So we should just give in?

[RobMcGill]

jayme2011, on 17 September 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

So we should just give in?

Give in to what? Muslims are having too many babies so let's go to war? We should have stayed out of these pathetic wars and we wouldn't be attacked. Why were the World Trade Centers attacked? Osama said it himself... Because the USA was building military bases on their holy land.

By any measure our involvement has been a complete failure. Every time we take down a non Muslim extremist government, we prop one up in it's place. Iraq/Libya are being influenced more heavily today by Al Qaeda than they were 10 years ago. This whole time the minorities are gaining more and more influence here at home. Make no mistake this has nothing to do with spreading freedom, and if it does the leadership in government is totally incompetent. More so in the US government.

If the problem with perpetual war is our intervention overseas then stop intervening! (Conservatives)

If the problem with equal rights in Canada is government intervention then stop intervening! (Liberals)

Government intervention is the opposite of freedom.

[RobMcGill]

Jabato, on 17 September 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

I don't know, but if you look at these riots because of the Coptic Christian video, is clear that they do not believe in freedom of speech. On the other hand it was not long ago when Christians burned people for blasphemy, but at least 300 years has gone since the Spanish Inquisition shut down their "lovely" door.

You make a good point, which only supports the argument we should leave. They are fighting for their own oppression, and we are supposedly fighting for their freedom. Common sense must be instilled, it cannot be forced. We need to lead by example by protecting our freedoms at home. We are failing in both domestic and foreign policy.

I would favor a more Liberal foreign policy, with a strong fiscal conservative domestic policy. The current Government just moves the budget around, they don't cut. What is the point of lowering sales tax by 2% if they are just going borrow 100-200 billion dollars and cause inflation until our savings are worthless. It's smoke and mirrors.

[jayme2011]

Rob
Its one thing to say maybe we should not be in the middle east its another thing to say we should change our ways of life and laws to better fit under Islam which some on the far left keep pushing for.

[RobMcGill]

jayme2011, on 17 September 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Rob
Its one thing to say maybe we should not be in the middle east its another thing to say we should change our ways of life and laws to better fit under Islam which some on the far left keep pushing for.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I will guarantee you that the last parties I will ever vote for are NDP, Liberal, or Greens. They will destroy our heritage, and the damage may already be done.

The misconception is that the Government broke it, so now they have to fix it. I'll tell you right now the government can't fix anything, they can't create jobs, they always compromise on the worst policies and never on the good policies. The government needs to back off and let society run itself, and allow the private sector to create jobs. We spend something like 6 billion dollars in foreign aid and 20 billion in defense spending, I don't remember electing for war. We are a country not a charity.

Assume we have good intentions overseas... The country is 590 billion dollars in debt, with a deficit of 22+ billion. Each Canadian is on the hook for approximately 17 thousand dollars each. Our baby boomers are retiring, and it is going to demolish our economy when revenues decrease. We don't have the money to go on these grand empire building initiatives, or follow the USA around the world. We are bankrupt, and all spending should be cut to bare minimum.

When we run out of options to fund our military and we are truly forced to reform as Russia did after the cold war. There will be no monetary tricks, or budget manipulation that will save us. We will be forced to stop foreign aid, healthcare, and social programs.

So please consider if bankrupting ourselves while provoking a billion people overseas is a good approach.

[bverwey]

I fear that we are allowing too much latitude in attemping to appease the muslim religious beliefs. No need to go to the middle east or europe for you cna see incremental chages right here at home. Look at the way our protests are handled by the pc correct police departments and what is happening in some of our schools.

bverwey

[Jabato]

bverwey, on 18 September 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

I fear that we are allowing too much latitude in attemping to appease the muslim religious beliefs. No need to go to the middle east or europe for you cna see incremental chages right here at home. Look at the way our protests are handled by the pc correct police departments and what is happening in some of our schools.

bverwey

I fully agree.

http://news.ninemsn....promoting-jihad

[RobMcGill]

bverwey, on 18 September 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

I fear that we are allowing too much latitude in attemping to appease the muslim religious beliefs. No need to go to the middle east or europe for you cna see incremental chages right here at home. Look at the way our protests are handled by the pc correct police departments and what is happening in some of our schools.

bverwey

I think that is something everyone in this forum can agree on.

Many of the people I know are minorities, yet I don't hear any of them whining about special treatment. It's actually the contrary, and usually complain about all the appeasement like the rest of us. Some of them are even Liberals... So I am wondering where are all these people that support Affirmative Action, I don't see them. Perhaps they fall into a certain demographic that I am just not involved with?

Regardless though, Conservatives still need to clean up there act. I currently support the Libertarians, but I don't care who is in power as long as we stop war and become more fiscally responsible. There are members of the Conservative party who are fiscally responsible, but they are far outnumbered by people who would rather appeal to the masses.

Using Rob Ford as an example... I don't agree with everything he says, however I do appreciate his honesty, political incorrectness and his ability to deliver on campaign promises. We need someone to grow a pair and stop the gravy train in Ottawa.

[jayme2011]

RobMcGill, on 18 September 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

I think that is something everyone in this forum can agree on.

Many of the people I know are minorities, yet I don't hear any of them whining about special treatment. It's actually the contrary, and usually complain about all the appeasement like the rest of us. Some of them are even Liberals... So I am wondering where are all these people that support Affirmative Action, I don't see them. Perhaps they fall into a certain demographic that I am just not involved with?

Regardless though, Conservatives still need to clean up there act. I currently support the Libertarians, but I don't care who is in power as long as we stop war and become more fiscally responsible. There are members of the Conservative party who are fiscally responsible, but they are far outnumbered by people who would rather appeal to the masses.

Using Rob Ford as an example... I don't agree with everything he says, however I do appreciate his honesty, political incorrectness and his ability to deliver on campaign promises. We need someone to grow a pair and stop the gravy train in Ottawa.

You won't hear any minorities complain that much as a rule its the far left they think we would be far better off with new policy's and get away from western ways of life and go more of a middle eastern route as with affirmative action there are people that want to see it do more and yes i know some people that 100% support this policy now the crazy thing is i think this policy has done far more harm then good yet some don't see it that way.

[RobMcGill]

jayme2011, on 18 September 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

You won't hear any minorities complain that much as a rule its the far left they think we would be far better off with new policy's and get away from western ways of life and go more of a middle eastern route as with affirmative action there are people that want to see it do more and yes i know some people that 100% support this policy now the crazy thing is i think this policy has done far more harm then good yet some don't see it that way.

It just makes sense that the majority should be the ones with greater influence. Maybe we should change election rules too so the candidate with least votes wins... Affirmative action just doesn't make sense, aside from being a prejudice policy itself... It actually makes people bitter towards minorities and encourages racism.

I am opposed to racism, and I don't want to sound harsh. However, if you move to Canada from another country I have to assume your former country must have been less appealing. Since countries generally evolve around their culture, it stands to reason that this is likely the cause for the less appealing qualities. The point is, if your culture can't sustain a peaceful/productive society don't bring it with you. If you come from Iran to make Canada more like Iran, why did you leave?

If you make it to Heaven, don't start telling the residents how awesome Earth is.

Lastly I just want to reiterate, I am not racist, I have nothing against Muslims, we shouldn't be at war with Muslims. Just remember though, Canada has no requirement to convert and you shouldn't expect it to.

(I'm not directing anything at you Jayme, I'm mostly in agreement, this is just a general statement)

[jayme2011]

RobMcGill, on 19 September 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

It just makes sense that the majority should be the ones with greater influence. Maybe we should change election rules too so the candidate with least votes wins... Affirmative action just doesn't make sense, aside from being a prejudice policy itself... It actually makes people bitter towards minorities and encourages racism.

I am opposed to racism, and I don't want to sound harsh. However, if you move to Canada from another country I have to assume your former country must have been less appealing. Since countries generally evolve around their culture, it stands to reason that this is likely the cause for the less appealing qualities. The point is, if your culture can't sustain a peaceful/productive society don't bring it with you. If you come from Iran to make Canada more like Iran, why did you leave?

If you make it to Heaven, don't start telling the residents how awesome Earth is.

Lastly I just want to reiterate, I am not racist, I have nothing against Muslims, we shouldn't be at war with Muslims. Just remember though, Canada has no requirement to convert and you shouldn't expect it to.

(I'm not directing anything at you Jayme, I'm mostly in agreement, this is just a general statement)

I agree with what your saying and yes people should have to convert we should not have to bend tot here every demand but that is what we seem to be doing i use to get worked up about all of these i don't anymore there is no point i get called every name in the book be it racist etc.

[Jabato]

I'm afraid this is gonna be, IMO, the next "insult against Mohamed"
Charlie Hebdo cartoons

http://www.theaustra... ... 6476940081

What should we do? Should we ban this new cartoons? Should we close down this French magazine for being offensive? IMHO the only thing we can do is to protect our right to Free Speech. It is one of our values. Anyone who may feel offended can easily go to Court and file a complaint. This is how our western societies works. No problem if you don't like it, you are free to leave our countries heading to a different one that fits your personal points of view, but we, western societies, must firmly stand against those who pretend to imposse us their own values or pretend from us to enforce their laws in our countries.

[RobMcGill]

Jabato, on 19 September 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

I'm afraid this is gonna be, IMO, the next "insult against Mohamed"
Charlie Hebdo cartoons

http://www.theaustra... ... 6476940081

What should we do? Should we ban this new cartoons? Should we close down this French magazine for being offensive? IMHO the only thing we can do is to protect our right to Free Speech. It is one of our values. Anyone who may feel offended can easily go to Court and file a complaint. This is how our western societies works. No problem if you don't like it, you are free to leave our countries heading to a different one that fits your personal points of view, but we, western societies, must firmly stand against those who pretend to imposse us their own values or pretend from us to enforce their laws in our countries.

The magazine is getting free publicity now because of the radical's actions. They should issue a press released trumpeting increased magazine sales, to demonstrate their entire effort was pointless. Everytime they do something destructive frame it as a lost cause.

They are free to burn holy bibles in the middle east, just as we are free to draw Mohamed cartoons.

[Blue Knight]

RobMcGill, on 11 September 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Currently only 20% of the world population has internet, imagine how much society will have changed when that number reaches 80-100%.

Yes, the intolerant will have more possibilities to communicate with each other. Muslim intolerance will increase by 1000 pct. Imagine a 10th century witch hunt with 22nd century technology!